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So sad — though not really surprised — to see many people wheeling out their anecdata on this one, when this site does a terrific job of laughing at such behavior on other issues. I want to see the anti-MRA wolfpack in here ASAP, snapping at the heels of these lunatics who want women to give birth in pools, beds of oak leaves, or whatever the fuck else their latest mystical idea is. Well trained midwives, i. CNMs, can be excellent health care providers as long as they understand their scope of practice and have good backup. And giving birth at home is really not the safest option.

Plus you have to clean up the blood and meconium yourself. Find a nice modern hospital with a birthing room complete with jacuzzi, birthing ball, and ocean sounds cued up on the iPod-and a complete surgical suite with 24 hour staffing down the hall-and have the best of both worlds. Oh gee, another serial killer. Why should we pay attention to you much less let you near a houseplant much less live humans? You had better hope there is no strawperson god or you will find yourself in the afterlife made of straw and torched over and over by smiling morons and kooks.

BTW, no one is forcing women to go to hospitals or have c sections. Home births happen all the time. Things sometimes go wrong and a baby ends up dead or sometimes a woman. When I got pregnant earlier this year, I found it really unsettling how hard it was to find good information. Probably half of us would be dead by now of something…natural.

Could turn an otherwise positive thing into more scheduled induction with their higher rate of complications or even scheduled c-sections. Even so, I think a woman should have final authority over her birth, even if risks are high. To suppose otherwise opens a huge can of worms. One cool thing about natural birthing is that it promotes resistance to genital mutilations like circumcision and episiotomy.

I think most of us here understand that circ is totally fucked up, but why did I include episiotomy? Studies have shown that episiotomy reduces the risk of a first degree tear, but that episiotomy discomfort is the same as 1st degree tear. Furthermore, the episiotomy makes it easier for higher degree tears to happen. Whether unmedicated labor in a hospital environment would produce the same experience as unmedicated labor at home for a low risk pregnancy depends on the practices of the specific hospital. There is more to laboring than enduring the pain. For instance, labor often progresses faster if the woman is free to move and walk about.

Not all hospitals allow such freedom, and among those that do, sometimes the routine practices are such that place limits on the movement of the laboring woman in ways that may interfere with labor progression. Of course insufficient progression calls for further interventions. But at least in some cases, the whole cascade of interventions could have been avoided by letting the woman keep moving as much as she was comfortable.

Last time I read about the Dutch system as described by captainchaos in posts 25 and 28 my impression was it results in low rates of interventions. I recall reading about doctors there being concerned about too many women opting for hospital births one possible reason suggested was increased immigration bringing women unfamiliar with the midwifery system. I would have loved to have such a system available to me. Waters broke while I was at work, so I opted for less friendly but nearer hospital. A few hours later I was told I was too slow and the labor should be augmented.

I wanted to avoid that because augmented labor is not only more painful but also involves higher risk of fetal distress due to hypoxia and further interventions to resolve it, up to C-section. Worked fine. I even had the fortune that the hospital midwife who happened to be present at the time of the birth itself was the one with the lowest episiotomy rates in that hospital — I managed to avoid that bit too. I would have preferred going through labor and delivery in a system that assumed low intervention as default for women in my state of general and pregnancy-related health but had the means to intervene quickly if necessary.

With our enormous brains, deciding to reproduce is a much riskier proposition for a woman than it is for, say, a female gorilla. Humanity really owes women a debt of gratitude for our evolutionary success, since we have born the brunt of the costs imposed. In addition, the maternal mortality rate in the USA is shamefully high for a western industrialized country, and has been rising rather than declining for the past two decades.

There are reasons to seek to seek to avoid specific pain medications during childbirth. There is also the issue of opiates crossing the placenta. With epidurals there is the matter of losing sensation in the lower body interfering with movement during labor, high risk of hypotension which can risk fetal distress and many other risks and side effects. Our son was delivered by midwives at a birth center in , and our daughter was delivered by midwives at home in No drugs whatsoever either time. Wonderful experience, and I have no regrets whatsoever.

Hospitals are for sick people. Home-birth is not the only area in which women are conned by pseudo-medical gobbledygook. He is an advocate of medicinal honey and an anti fever medication called Androtec, a derivative of a relative of the Neem tree. His office is well furnished but the only medical items visible are his white coat, his stethoscope and device for measuring blood pressure.

I have never seen him use any of these except for the white coat which does lend him an air of credibliity to the more gullible. My wife is an asthmatic with some severe allergies. He has told her not to use her preventer or reliever sprays prescribed when I took her to a real doctor or to use over the counter anti-histamine for the allergies.

His reason: It keeps the inflammation in the body!!!. Further evidence of his quackery: I suffer from an extremely rare immune system disease. So rare the most GPs have to look it up in their medical dictionary. Mine is the first and only case my regular GP has seen in his practice of around patients. His diagnosis? It is due to my western diet. His basis for this insight is that his local patients contract it when they live in the west and it clears up when they resume their normal Asian diet. I am presently living in an Asian country which has quite a good health care system which runs alongside numerous quacks offering all sorts of bizarre treatments for what ails you.

It is even rarer in Asians than in Anglo-celtic people like me. It is worse in African-Americans and there is evidence of a gene based racial predisposition to the disease. In all probability he has ever seen the disease or even knows what it is. In fact I now have 12 papers written by a total of 26 researchers from peer-reviewed medical journals.

These include a good case-controlled study which shows a link between a chemical I was exposed to in my job of 30 years and the illness. Further evidence of his quackery: For his cancer patients including breast cancer patients he counsels against surgery and chemotherapy. Instead he prescribes herbal tea, hot spas and aromatherapy and massage. Does my science trump his conmanship? Gazza, your wife is not all women. Please stop implying that her susceptibility to being conned is somehow due to her having a vagina. No accidents, no near misses, no attracting any police attention. Drunk driving might be a problem for others but not for me.

Know why your making such a big fuss about it, really. It happens a lot for various reasons; religious sacrifices to the gods faith healing , anti-vax, HIV denialists, alt med and so on. From her post:. Apparently these interventions some women try to avoid have some benefit. But what is the overall neonatal mortality risk? The overall risk of neonatal death is 0. That risk increases to 0.

As a comparison, the risk of developing cervical cancer, which we are all screened for annually ad speculum, is only 8. An increased neonatal mortality of 0. My mind is boggled. Wow,normaly on this site you talk about science. On this post you seem content to just make shit up. Do you have any evidence at all that says home birth with a trained midwife is more dangerous than hospital births? I would note that Dad, who apparently was more cooperative with the tyrants at St. Barnabas, has been allowed visitations with his daughter starting in Information is available here on Amber Marlow, whose doctor got a court order allowing him to FORCE a ceasarian on her, and on the case of Melissa Rowland, who was charged with first degree murder because one of her twins was a stillbirth after she delaying giving permission for a caesarian, and convicted of a lesser charge.

Rejecting the testimony of her husband, her parents, her doctors and everyone concerned in the case, and giving undue weight to the opinion of a neonatologist who had never even examined Angela, the Judge ordered a caesarian to be performed. In the face of her explicit refusal to agree, a three judge panel decided during a telephone conference the hospital could operate anyway.

The fetus died within two hours. Angela lasted two days. Her parents sued and won, for what that was worth, having lost their daughter and their grandchild. Interesting debate. Home birth is definitely a choice, and one that hopefully involves intelligent review of the costs and benefits. Some people treat this like a religious decision for either case , with the usual lack of reasoning involved. If someone is rational they can minimize the risks of home birth serious backup plans, midwives with great track records, etc. Hospitals are not without risks either. The thing of it is, medicine is a business.

The more interventions that occur with a patient, the more money the hospital makes. Contrast the C-section rates between hospitals that have well off, insured patients and the hospitals that support a poorer population. This is especially sensitive if the problem is in the NICU. So, not everyone who has home births is a wackaloon. Intelligently prepared for, home birth can be a viable option.

Those people are idiots. Both doctors and mothers can sometimes make bad decisions for elective c-sections, no doubt. The landing page is bad, for whatever reason. Start anywhere else and have at it. Sounds like the best bits of all options rolled into one. Women do need better choices and better care. And listen to Squigit Unfortunately, a lot of bad things that happen in the world are surprises.

Glad it worked for you, though. Personal anecdotes! I have a close friend who went the homebirth route but the company that helped were medical professionals and there was a standby to rush to the hospital if needed. Guess I thought all homebirth was that way. It saved thousands of dollars. Reading history, it crops up continually. And since there was no birth control, wives were continually at risk. Life was unbelievable challenging until the last century.

My son and I got the absolute worst treatment any woman and child could have gotten, so I understand why other women are reluctant to risk that for themselves and their children. I might as well have been at home for all the good they did us. It can be very, very bad out there. Not all hospitals give a damn. A lot of the modern crop of woo-soaked midwives are also anti-vaxxers. I worry about the children that they help into the world, when they midwives have so much seeming authority, and then these babies wind up not getting vaccinated.

A few other natural things: Black mambas. Brown recluse Lions Grizzly bears. Nature can keep them. Midwifery in Germany is a qualified, highly trained and licensed medical profession. When I was pregnant I was thinking of her and was afraid of midwives. Then I met the good sort of midwives and was in the care of wonderful, compassionate, sciency except for accupunture people, who worked well with my gyn and really helped me with my feeding problems afterwards. When I met my midwife during my second pregnancy, it was because she was seeing the gyn for her own pregnancy.

Now, both of those midwives have the same license, the same education. I kind of agree with you. Women must be able to make good choices. But the first step towards good choices is good information. Forcing C-sections on women is not only misogynistic, but also chases women away from science based medicine into the arms of quacks.

Treating women as an unnecessary inconvenience during birth does the same. Too fast. In Denmark birthing women are serviced by midwifes. Midwifery is a govenment sponsored education like most education in Denmark , so they are highly trained health practicioners. Typically there are a number of birthing rooms in the hospital, setrviced by midwifes, and at least one OB is on call. If there are no complications then the midwife takes care of everything, thast is, during the actuakl birth a socialworker i present, I am not quite sure why, but I gues that person also signs of on something official.

We had to births in hospitals. In the first birth, started early because of gestational diabetes, the baby was monitored, and the midwife had the OB in twice to evaluate the curves. Afterwards there was a little trouble stopping the bleeding, so he was called in again, but by then the midwife had found and closed the tear our son came out with his arm over his head, bruising his arm and tearing up his mom. When our daughter was born, it was with a spanking new midwife, just out of school, doing one of her first unassisted births.

When our daughter came out blue, she pushed the button and in seconds we had two experienced midwifes one of whom delivers the royal breed , checking that nothing was amiss, apgar at 10 after 5 minutes. I was born at home with a doctor and a midwife present.

I guess home births took some wild tangent since the 80s with this anti-doctor thing I guess because the research shows now how much better hospitals are. The apartment was also about 2 minutes away from the hospital, so maybe it was cheating anyways. Soren well that system makes sense to me. We do have advance practice midwives in the US RNs with a graduate degree, like Nurse Practitioners but in many states it probably takes more education to cut hair then to call yourself a midwife, the credentialing is rather hap-hazard. I tore and needed to be cut with my first one, but only tore a little with the second one despite both kids being the same size and the second one being even faster.

Because one of them is OK, the other one is bullshit. We do this with everything in our lives and those of our loved ones. Two babies at home. My wife was low-risk, both babies were healthy, we live literally 10 minutes walk from the nearest hospital. I think some commenters here need to consider what the people who are actually posting in the thread are saying, and not what their fantasy-pro-homebirthers are saying. Like many of the people above say, it is possible to approach this in a balanced manner — improve hospital environments, create birth centres and make them more available, and make sure midwives have a decent medical education and only provide home births in safe situations low-risk, close to hospital etc.

Calling me a serial killer is foolish, and makes you look like an extremist prat, to be honest. I live in a civilised country where medical support is available free at the point of delivery. I agree that if such help is necessary during birth, it should be given without question. Home births work for loads of women, and experienced and skilled NHS doctors and midwives support them for that reason. I have yet to see any evidence that properly supervied home births are any riskier than hospital births. Of course that may be different in the USA, where health services are driven by the need to make profits.

There is a good argument to be made for home birth in cases where the risk of complications is low and the benefits of a less stressful, familiar environment outweigh those risks. This is only the case where trained, professional midwives are in attendance and are prepared to move to a hospital at the earliest indication of trouble. That said, my wife and I are in total agreement over our wishes for when our first child arrives in December. I am disappointed in you. Why are you willing to condemn the rest of the planet to no choice at all just because you ran into a crowd of extremists somewhere.

Thus the youngish doctor is much more likely to intervene, not because he needs to but because he is scared of being told off because he did not. With a hospital you have more and nastier bugs about so that if bio-security breaks down when there is pressure or understaffing there are additional risks. That same understaffing, often the work of accountants, can leave the woman in labour alone — bad psychologically and much more of a risk that some warning sign may be missed. There are, too, all the problems of an institution getting set in its ways or wasting its enegry on internal politics — taking its eye off the ball.

You need a reason to expose a woman to those additional risks. Sometimes there is a good medical reason and most of us would accept it. Do you remember Ignaz Semmelweis? I mean, come on, how long did they insist on a routine episiotomy before we even start for everyone and the cat long after there was proof that a natural tear, even if it needed a stitch or two, would heal more quickly and with less pain?

Decades, PZ, decades. I am fully committed to modern medicine, the sort of modern medicine practiced very well in our fully developed countries by highly trained midwives — in hospital, in birthing centres and at home — with full back-up from from any other persons and bits of kit which may be required. This is the first study which popped up when I searched Google Scholar.

PS: I can do anecdotes too but apparently some god-like figure has decreed that the experience of individual women in labour has no relevance in a discussion on the provision of service to them. Truly natural childbirth: you carry on working in the field until you start pressing. In this case your other kids starve. This raises a whole new point. For a truly safe and almost risk-free home birth, one would probably have to invest quite a lot of money. Oh dear, I never knew I was genitally mutilated. Get your nonsense out of here. Let me see, I started tearing. With every contraction I tore a bit more while birth was slowed down because of the obvious lack of room.

I think the problem here starts with hospitals and doctors often being fucked up the way they are. Treating women as incubators, not respecting their wishes and opinions, scaring them. I had this experience once with my second child. She lacks a kidney and therefore I was in the care of the university hospital. One of them was an asshole who tried to bully me into giving birth at the university hospital.

Benefit even in the worst case scenario of not-working kidney: zero. Well, I am an educated woman with self-esteem. No idea what women are talking about when they talk about their wonderful childbirth. Holding them for the first time, that was wonderful. Poping them out was painful. There are plenty of statistical data this from WHO , it is horrifying actually. The best I can find is about 0. Have a look at 33 and 34 in the first table. This is such a narrow view into the practice of birthing at home.

Birthing at home is much more common in countries outside of the U. I obviously speak from experience, so perhaps my view is a bit narrow as well. I think a lot of people here are missing a very important point, and I guess I will be the feminist that brings it up. Women have been evolving for millions of years to be mothers to give birth, and if it were on the whole too dangerous then we would have been extinct long ago. So with medicine we can net a better outcome than what is natural.

The problem, and hence the reactionary extreme of some home birth fanatics, is that treating birth as a disease has led to the idea that women cannot handle birth without epidurals and scheduled c-sections and this effectively dis-empowers women greatly. The fact that the rate of c-sections increase because the doctor wants to go home is frankly alarming. Fuck you. I will say it again in my post around 48ish : Things can go so very, very wrong, so very very quickly. An at-home birth, without the medical equipment of a modern hospital or birthing center, is not a safe.

The midwife kept her pushing too long rather than calling in an OB for a surgical extraction and the child has a learning disability because of hypoxia at birth. For those who prefer a more statistically valid approach, this paper on high versus low risk cases in the Netherlands may be of interest. I wanted to have a peaceful birth outside of a hospital and without risking some gawd-awful infection?

If you wanted to avoid infection, an out of hospital birth may not have been your best option. If the numbers here are correct, the risk of infection for a low risk woman delivering out of hospital is more than twice that of any woman delivering in hospital which is going to include a number of women with extremely compromised immune systems, preexisting infections, every surgical screw up possible, etc.

Although I put things in a facetious way to explain that for us the immediate presence of help in case something happens is important, having a safe r home birth is just as free as any other method for people who choose one. The staff well trained and experienced midwives and equipment will come to you and the nearest hospital will be aware that you might have to come in should complications arise, all free. I suppose I might have been killed in a traffic accident on the way to the hospital instead of delivering at home. Stuff happens, and there is no cocoon that is going to keep you perfectly safe no matter where you decide to give birth.

Sheesh, this is not a black and white issue. For a healthy woman with no undue risk factors, home birth can be a perfectly reasonable decision. Sure, having a child is perceived as a touchy-feely personal gift. So you want to have warm-fuzzies about it. You also should want a healthy child and mother. My spouse is an orthopaedic surgeon who has a subspecialty of brachial plexus injuries resulting from difficult births. These injuries happen when the kid is part of the way out, something happens gets stuck, stops breathing — whatever , and whoever is delivering has to get the kid out ASAP for safety of mother and kid.

They grab the arm, and pull. All of the nerves from that arm are ripped out of the brachial plexus, leaving the arm permanently damaged — anywhere from totally useless, to mildy compromised. End of story. And to promote home-births that are away from medical facilities — and especially in lower-income populations where diabetes is rampant blacks in the states, First Nations in Canada, etc and, due to obesity issues, children can be really huge — is bordering on the criminal.

A bunch of medical staff, no. A midwife and an assistant or maybe a student, yes. A full term child in the NICU with hypoxic brain damage is an expensive proposition. But, hey, you can always sue the hospital, right? Home birth midwives rarely carry malpractice insurance so suing them is good for nothing except aggravation. For all the talk of having medical assistance on standby or being able to call an ambulance if something goes wrong, it still means you are not in a position where that medical assistance is available right there. Why would you want to put mother and child at higher potential risk?

But it makes more sense to do it in the safest possible location. Why not take advantage of the resources available? My diet was good, if a bit limited by pregnancy induced nausea arguably, it was better than usual because the PIN left me eating mostly fruits, vegetables, and grains and avoiding fats. I swam every day up to the day before labor started. Which it did at just over 40 weeks. The baby was estimated at pounds-large enough, but not overly large and was head down.

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Everything should go smoothly, right? Just a tiny, flukey error in positioning and the birth changed from routine to deadly. Without a c-section at least one, probably both of us would have died. But maybe not. When you drive, do you wear a seat belt or do you assume that there will be time to put on a seat belt if a crash looks likely? And that time may be the difference between life and death. Perhaps there is a difference in our experiences that explains that. In Britain, in my experience, women are seen by their GPs and by obstetric services as a matter of course.

Many potential problems will be picked up early on, and many women choose to give birth in hospital because they are aware of these problems. So the group that chose to give birth at home are screened anyway — there may be a few people who chose a home birth in spite of advice, but they are a small minority. Anecdote time! Nor would it now. The hospital was by then on standby, knowing that I was in labour and having a copy of all my notes to hand. After a while one of the local GPs — not my own but this one by prior agreement — popped in for a double check on pulse, temperature, whatever and then popped out again.

After a fairly standard birth during which I felt free to swear as much as I wished, the doctor popped back again for five minutes, pronounced us both alive and went away never to be seen again. If something had gone wrong then there would have been an obstetrician at my place or me in the hospital within minutes. End result of all that non-fuss is still looking good after 41 years! Nobody should ever vilify those who hold a different opinion than our own.

I know there are extremists on both sides, and while I did choose to comment on this blog mostly because I was surprised by the blanket generalizations within , for the most part I keep very quiet about this sort of thing. I am reluctant to argue with you but do your people not do a constantly updated risk assessment throughout the pregnancy? So although that was the plan all along and the preparations were made with that in mind I was only finally signed off for the home birth about 2 weeks before my due date. What else are blogs for? If no labor for another week [at that point 40 weeks days] then we ought to get a non-stress test.

Even then, until the fever hit which it did very late in the game-actually after the decision to go to c-section had been made , there were no signs of a problem what would have been obvious at home. The answer is no. No, Dr. Not in the case of sex-selection, not in any case. Now you are comparing giving birth to a car crash. Here in Ontario, Canada, we have a situation like in most of Europe: midwives here are licensed, trained medical professionals who give primary prenatal care and can deliver babies in hospitals.

There are a few midwives, a nurse, and an OB on call in the labour and delivery wing at our hospital at all times. A hundred or two hundred years ago, it would have been a terrible experience. The best I could have hoped for would have been having someone pull a dead baby out of me after days of painful labor. But in the early 21st century, I had an epidural which relieved the pain completely, but left me able to move and feel light touch and pressure i. My c-section was hurried, but painless and I got to see my not dead, not brain damaged, healthy baby within 10 minutes of the birth.

We all went home 3 days later. I had no significant post-op pain and never even filled the T3 script. I read something by her fairly recently on a completely different subject which I shall not name , and was distinctly unimpressed, with both the original piece and her responses to the comments. I think one thing that has not yet been discussed is the possibility of regional differences in access to adequate hospital care. Many of the individuals here that oppose home birth keep referring to birth centers and women-friendly hospitals. Rather mystical things where I live.

However, there are many local certified midwives. The one we chose had attended over births, and had never had a fatality. We all both parents and midwife firmly believe that the health and safety of mom and baby come first — we had a back-up OB-GYN with whom we met at least once a month during the entire pregnancy, and would have transferred complete care if at any point there was any hint of a future problem.

Also, an note on the statistics. There is a very logical reason why the statistics used by people who support well thought out, informed home births vary so drastically from those used by people who oppose home birth. The former often only includes individuals who planned their home birth and were attended by a trained medical professional midwife. This is one topic in which the data are often manipulated.

Risk assessment for something like birth should be done on an individual basis. I believe it would have been irresponsible to have had my children in my local hospital. Bedside manner is not an afterthought to medicine. It is integral to the art of medicine. People see doctors at some of their most vulnerable moments, Western society is right now very atomized and stressed, and in the U.

Stress and perceived lack of control elevate cortisol and adrenaline. And I have to be in a certain mood to read Amy Tuteur, because she reminds me of certain physicians I never want to encounter again. Of course not. All that said, the medical profession could make major inroads against woo if it placed more of an emphasis on treating patients as people, not simply as obstacles to diseases that need to be cured.

By the way, Greg House breaks all sorts of rules of ethics, too. The home birth was a lot better in many respects, from my point of view. That would have been my first choice. Since that was unavailable, we looked into the risks, benefits and my particular situation. We are only a few minutes from the hospital, the midwife was extremely experienced and made it clear that at the first sign of any difficulty we were hospital bound, I was in spectacular shape and was about as low risk as you can get.

We continued follow up with my family doctor and discussed everything with him openly, listened carefully to his concerns and made sure he was in the loop. We were comfortable with the level of risk we were taking on. That said, there are wackos out there who do stupid things, refuse to acknowledge what risk factors there are, go with untrained or inexperienced practitioners and just generally embrace the fluff-bunny ideal of natural without understanding it fully.

Unwarranted medical intervention is not a good thing and should certainly be fought, the practices of any medical facility should be based on what works best for the patient. Our experience involved a birthing suite with a variety of comfort assisting devices, but by the time we were at the hospital walking was played out. That was the advantage of having a midwife which I hope you also noted from my comments. Had our birth not turned into the complications that it did, there would have been no epi, no NO2, no c-section, and would have occurred between us and our midwife.

Giving birth is stressful and dangerous, if hospitals are contributing to that stress without reducing the danger, yeah, I can see avoiding them, but the facts support a hospital birth as being safer. Modern medical knowledge is great, less women die in childbirth because of it. So when people start campaigning for homebirth as the best option, or the natural option as seems to be the favoured lingo, I cringe. Boo and hiss at those who think that childbirth is a cookie cutter enterprise. I found the medical care I received during pregnancy and childbirth to be astonishingly traumatic, such that 16 years later, I can barely discuss it without crying.

I have never felt so irrelevant to my own medical care. Even if that means one or both of us might die in the process. Heh, I looked at the hospital staff as pretty much equivalent to the staff at, say, a grocery store. If something more was needed of them, they had the skillset and training to handle it, if not, why bother me? Once I spit her head out and gave it back, she got the idea. I had a perfectly pleasant hospital experience, no complaints. And the laundry?

Sounds, frankly, like the MD blew her off. But the fundamental point is the same: better to know the hideous risks — as we understand them — than not. And the medical world should be the access point for that information. Also, think on the other side of the fence, too: the first people to cry, complain, and SUE esp. Because with obviously having neither experience with nor data about hospital birth and care, you decleare them useless in childbirth. Midwives in Germany have to carry insurance. Even though there are really few cases, the amount of money needed in such cases is enormous.

With number 1, the doctor showed up once in a while, with 2 he was too late, but my midwife was there all the time. It does. This is because no drug company wants to risk doing a trial and having their drug be proven to be dangerous and have every woman in the trial who had a bad outcome, related or not, sue them. Please read the entire post. I did not generalize in any way, so why the snark? Getting skewed and misleading information about risks encourages us to vastly over- or under- estimate them, leaving us no better off and probably more stressed, which is only worth it if you actually gained some real info.

I am very appreciative indeed of modern medicine especially compared with the alternatives of a hundred years ago , just not so appreciative of the circs that sometimes force physicians to work on a production-line. Exactly the problem OBs have in the US. A Licensed Midwife has to go through training that includes observing more births than an OB has to observe in medical school.

I gave birth at home with two medical professionals attending and observing me every minute of the time: the same two medical professionals the entire birth, the same two medical professionals who had attended me my entire pregnancy and knew my history. I was lied to by hospital staff about drug and intervention risks. I was given a drug specifically not recommended and known to be dangerous to pregnant women.

Which was why I decided the second time around that homebirth would be safer. As it was. When a minor complication arose after birth, my midwives competently handled it before it could become a major situation. OBs have been successfully sued for things like telling a woman that treatment X was recommended for situation Y which she had because babies in situation Y were at increased risk of death without treatment X but failed to tell her that HER baby might die without treatment X.

Lawsuits aside, doctors want their patients to take risks seriously. Especially when there is a high risk of death or serious disability if the risk is not taken seriously. To give a vague example, a patient who is recovering from a life threatening illness. Patient has some very early signs of possible recurrence, which probably represent something else altogether. The recommended course is to recheck the relevant labs and either restart treatment in the worst case scenario or tell pt not to worry, all is well in the best case. I would think it is doing both.

My OB was not going on about risks of complications. And how I needed to be on a diabetic diet NOW before doing a longer test because my one-hour glucose test came back marginal.

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He did not give me a referral to a professional nutrition person, he gave me a badly xeroxed sheet recommending that I eat no kidding hot dogs and canned tuna and cut out fruit. I had plenty of risk factors with my pregnancy. Dianne, you are completely correct about the appalling lack of research on pregnancy and medications.

Same thing with lactation — when I needed to go on a medication while I was nursing, the general consensus was that I should simply stop nursing. I was lucky enough to have a physician who did a bit more digging for research reports, and we concluded that the benefits of nursing outweighed the risks of medication.

I familiarized myself with the potential side effects on the Spawn and paid attention. For me, giving birth in a hospital would have meant accepting that whoever happened to be on duty at the time would come along and stick their hand in my vagina once an hour. I had trouble accepting that this kind of intrusiveness and lack of privacy would have done anything at all good for my labor process, and while having someone stick their hand in my vagina periodically was in fact necessary to a well-monitored birth, I opted to have it done by caregivers I had known throughout my pregnancy and trusted.

Dianne: Your example is providing necessary information. It scares the patient. When I got the diagnosis for my second child I was scared, I was sad, I was devastated. Medical school is not the end of training for physicians. This gives them a wide experience not only with normal but also with problems so that when they encounter problems in the future, they will recognize them and know what to do-or who to consult.

Actually, I easily participated in 20 births during medical school, despite having zero interest in OB.

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An interested student could easily log twice that number third year and another 50 or so fourth. Also, scriabin, I was traumatized because the physician treated me like a piece of meat and did not assess what my actual risk factors were. PTSD is as risk factor, same as diabetes or autoimmune disease.

I deserved to have it taken into consideration, but the message I got was that it was all in my head and I should be able to deal with it on my own. I agree with you that this is inadequate. Mattir, one of the things I appreciated so much about my midwives was that they assessed for things like rape and sexual abuse history — and that unlike all the doctors I have ever seen in my entire life, the relationship they established with me had enough trust that I could be open about that history and give them the information they needed.

How can asking for more information be irresponsible? Because you want to understand stuff in the first place? A friend of mine was told, as soon as they could see two little blobs on the ultrasound, that she needed a C-section. When she asked if that really was necessary the doctors attacked her viciously. Because if the way things are portrayed as happening in hospitals are at all like real life, I totally understand why women are seeking other options. Also, I think several people may have mentioned being cared for by multiple randoms in hospital.

Over here if we have to go to an ordinary hospital rather than maternity we have 1 or 2 midwives depending on how long the labour is throughout labour. There have been a lot of negative anecdotes about treatment by hospitals in this thread. Do hospitals not give a fuck about women as people? Is it a result of hospitals being private they are private in the US, right? In one instance, on a thread regarding circumcision, Dr Tuteur insisted that a male child born to a Jewish mother did not have a choice about being Jewish himself; he simply was, by definition.

BUT I have a real problem with ideological natural birth stuff. On the other, I really have a problem with the overly-sunny view of childbirth promoted by the natural birth crowd. Otherwise the worst case scenario is you wind up with dead babies and dead moms. Sorry, but this has to be challenged.

Tielserrath — huh, well I feel stupid now. I retract my earlier statements saying how wonderful the NZ way of doing things is. To become an OB you spend three years doing general training after med school, and five years of specialist training in solely obstetrics and gynaecology.

A midwife here has to do around 40 births — all or almost all of which will be normal deliveries. This is not the person I want managing an unbreathing, flat neonate. CNMs provide a lot of well-woman care and deliver babies in hospitals and birthing centers as well as at home. The commentary on this topic is unbelievable. All of it is ancedata. Disappointing from a group that usually is looking for the sound science. I have seen a few papers with numbers for home births. I would have to do more reading to reach conclusions on how these studies were done, but how about actually looking at some research????

A good study would compare low risk to low risk in hospital to home births. Meta-analysis of the Safety of Home Birth, Birth. Volume 24, Issue 1, pages 4—13, March I know nothing about this journal. American Journal of Public Health, Vol.

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  7. Mattir — just a quick note that your first post indicated that you were traumatized and crying specifically because your OB kept harping on hideous risks. My spouse has a subspecialty trying to surgically repair these torn-apart babies whose parents mainly ignored hearing about those hideous risks. Never, ever, ask a doc to minimize description of those risks. Two hours later you posted that the traumatization was really a result of the lack of acknowledgement of your PTSD as a risk factor.

    Hope you were or are getting proper MD help with it. Find a good OB, and trust their risk assessment. But stay in the damn medical system. The biggest problem with the licensing of lay midwives is that the licensure requirements are vastly inconsistent from state to state. But, here again, CPM is one of the paths to licensure. There is a growing movement to improve patient care in hospitals and improve our licensing standards generally restricting midwifery care to truly competent providers—CNMs and care restrictions like transfer requirements, back up physicians, and malpractice insurance.

    Women deserve to know that states will only license quality providers. They deserve to have a choice in care, but they do not have a right to have whomever they want be licensed. They choose it anyways. And they certainly may. That is no more a reason to create a state licensure for substandard midwives than it is to create a state license for direct entry heart surgeons. Researchers took cultures from the uniforms of doctors and nurses in a hospital.

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    A recent study by the New England Journal of Medicine found that 86 percent of all webcomic artists are, quote, 'clownshit insane. But man, there is something about webcomics as a medium that really drives people to reach their craziest potential. In we found that all of the mind-blowingly insane webcomics fit neatly into five categories, which we have arranged in order of most innocuous to the very nightmares of the Devil himself. So hang onto your sanity good and tight as we tour these five circles of webcomic hell, beginning with Level 5, where we find.

    And sure the comic seems a little too obsessed with the 'quit smoking' thing, pretty much blaming smoking from everything from rape to the Holocaust. It's an innocent tale of a little girl finding some cigarettes on the beach. Curiosity gets the best of her, but luckily her wise friend is there to intervene! Well, that's pretty common sense stuff.

    Now go tell Mom and Dad, kids, so a valuable lesson can be learned! Aaaaaand they're naked. See, this is why webcomics are a thousand times better than newspaper comics.


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    This is why I think James Vipond, the creator of this comic, is a mad genius. A character's mother dies? Gee, what would be a nice way to make the dreary mourning scene go down better? The answer is titties. I assure you, the censorship was added by us. People make fun of Mr. Vipond, they call him crazy for making a comic where at utterly random times the characters' clothing vanishes into the ether. But dammit, 20 years from now that will be a staple of all entertainment. He's crazy in the way that Tesla was crazy. The world just isn't ready for his brand of genius. We leave you to your work, James, and continue to.

    Her movement is called the Evolution Revolution, her breasts are her superpower. Because it doesn't make sense to say that the breasts themselves are a. Wait, you know what? That actually sort of does make sense. Well, that seems reasonable. Let's see her in action! Public nudity. I stopped and wrote down all of the questions raised by this particular strip. I wound up filling three spiral-bound notebooks. Including: Question 1. If she's part cow, how are all of her children human?

    Question If the point of being a cow goddess is her superior milking ability, why just the two nipples instead of four? Is that a nipple on her scalp? Her pet cause seems to be that the world will be saved, not just by breast feeding, but by breast feeding with a live audience. And I think she's right. If you're at Starbucks and you see a topless cow-woman hybrid loudly breastfeeding her human children, are you thinking about war or pollution? You're not thinking about anything other than the shit that's going on right in front of you.

    And while it's hard to argue with her 'ice cream for breakfast' platform. Law For Kids: We would be remiss if we didn't mention, the comics made by a group in Arizona to help kids stay out of trouble. Already the subject of many an Internet meme, each one is a masterpiece of minimalist storytelling: What did they do wrong?

    The comic does not say. As in Oscar Wilde's tale of Dorian Gray, the grotesque sins of the protagonists that occurred between panels two and three are left to the reader's imagination. Perhaps the transgressions you imagine say something about you. The Webcomic Evangelists You do not find the run-of-the-mill religious comics wandering this circle of webcomic hell. No, there is certainly no shortage of comics designed to angrily insult people into or out of their religious faith, and while we may disagree with them, at least their message is clear.

    But then you have these, the David Lynch-esque comics, seemingly created by feeding the Bible and a stick of dynamite to a goat, and then drawing the bloody aftermath. Do you agree with their message? You'll never know. Let's look at a pair of creationist comics from artist Dan Lietha. After Eden and CreationWise: Take note of the time. Now stare at the following comic until you think you've got your mind wrapped around its meaning. Welcome back. If you're like me, about six hours have passed since the last sentence. We know from reading the rest of his site that cartoonist Dan Lietha is a Christian man.

    But it appears that, from this strip at least, he believes that behind the doors of time lies Cthulhu. And he will eat your Bible. I don't pretend to understand this man's interpretation of Christianity, but I'm already pretty sure it kicks ass. Let's pull out another one, this is from his other strip, After Eden: That one took about four hours.

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    I called in sick to work. No, it's not one panel out of a longer story arc. It appears to be a new chapter in the story of Adam and Eve, one where Eve builds a dummy version of herself out of sticks and coconuts so she could either escape Adam, or perhaps lure him into a booby trap for whatever nefarious purpose. Perhaps to eat him. Then we have this portrayal of the After Eden method of winning over converts. Somebody at their computer monitor just muttered, 'Well, religious comics certainly can't get any more confusing than that.

    Study the strip above. Sort of makes sense. Tree of religious liberties, shredded into toothpicks by the godless ACLU and its. Porno Possum lunchbox. So how about. That's right, sinful world! A new Pope is in town, and he's not going to stop mowing at the boundaries of your lawn, like that old Pope. No, he's going to mow right over your fucking landscaping! Wait, is this a pro or anti-Catholic comic?

    Let's find another Pope episode to clarify it for us. Saving that sleeping woman? Kidnapping her? By the way, there's a 'you'll shit bricks' moment when you realize the gray mass is a crowd of people. The Insane Political Commentator The next level down from the religious comics, and with quite a bit of overlap between the realms, we find the somehow equally insane political comics.

    Diversity Lane: Above you can see that by Zack Rawsthorne is either about a little girl, or a very old lady, who is upset that we are losing America. Are you saying people are crazy just for being conservative? We get that those are symbols, but Diversity Lane's symbolism is what sends it crashing through the guardrails of Political Hack Bridge and splashing down into the rushing waters of Batshit River.

    Try to puzzle through this one: The family is miniature golfing, a 20 foot-long anaconda curls out of the cardboard building that represents Korea, and we're supposed to laugh at the parents for suggesting that their little girl not fight the fucking snake?

    Guys, we don't care who you voted for in the last election; if you see a giant fucking serpent at the miniature golf course, alert the management. Do not have your children fight it with a golf club. Then you have this one, where Diversity talks about how Mexico is sending 'monster-criminals' and 'floating pig-diseases' to destroy America: Hell, that could easily be a liberal comic, mocking the overblown fears of the right. But while Diversity Lane is indecipherable, it doesn't come close to the shrieking hall of mirrors that is.

    Hal Lindsey's Oracle Cartoons. There's no caption for the above comic. We didn't crop some crucial context. That's the whole thing. Transvestite Boy Scout leader. Atheist gorilla, wearing a tie, ringing a bell to raise money for the Salvation Army at Christmas. Vote Republican. What is so awesome about these is that it takes two people to make them the artist is John Rule. I would pay a lot of money to sit in on their brainstorming sessions, the two men perfectly in tune with the message they're trying to convey.

    In fact, let's label their home 'America. And Fear comes calling. Make it look scary, you know, in a black robe with 'FEAR' on its back in all caps. Yeah, this isn't my first political comic, chief. Got one right here. I mean, there's only so many ways to approach the subject, right? You know what'll happen when the liberals catch you reading them: Though after they put you in jail for reading them, they apparently let you keep reading them as part of your rehabilitation.

    OK, we have two levels to go, and we're getting down to dark realms where the howls of the damned can be heard. To take in what you're about to see, you'll need an open mind. A mind so open, in fact, that hobos have taken to squatting inside it, and smoking meth. Strips like populate every webcomic hosting service, covering humans transforming into animals, or into dragons, or turning from male into female.

    Or all of them at the same time: Perverse? Only in the sense that all sexual fetishes are crazy. That guy likes male dragon vaginas, I like Asian schoolgirls wearing fake beards. Again, glass house. But then we have comics like. Concession: is a 'furry' webcomic and if you're here I assume you already know that 'furry' means you shouldn't click that link unless you're in an environment where they're OK with lots and lots of pictures of cartoon animals fucking.

    But that's nothing you haven't seen before. At this point, anthropomorphic animals giving each other blow jobs are pretty much the wallpaper of the Internet. Concession functions on a whole other level. It's written and drawn. It's called Concession because it's about a bunch of friends who work the concession stand at a movie theater.

    What kind of wacky hijinks could such a job offer? Well, in at the theater: The character who is comforting the child up there is named Artie. In a hilarious Three's Company-esque misunderstanding, he wakes up in bed with the child and believes he has molested her: Artie then meets a woman and they go out on a date, where she surprises him by taking him to a NAMBLA convention. It turns out she also molests children and believes they share a common interest.

    To his credit, Artie is disgusted and storms out, but she shows up the next day, convincing him to embrace his pedophilia because the feelings are 'natural,' and to tempt him, brings a flock of children for them to share. And reveals that he only molested the child because he has brain cancer. That was really the best way that storyline could have worked itself out, I guess. It's not exactly pro-pedophilia or anything. After all, the character rejects the lifestyle.

    Wait, did we mention that the story arc ends with the orphan leaving to go join the pedophile's underage sex harem? Run, stranger! Wait, what's this up ahead? This was five years ago, and the comic was already five years old at that point. I guess what I'm saying is that Boston and Shaun has been running since fucking That's right; in a year, there was already a fetish comic starring animals. At least we think it's a fetish comic. Most of the strips involve the characters eating and rapidly gaining weight, over and over again. Oh, and there are giant kangaroos involved.

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    And with them, constant storylines about other characters shrinking down and curling up inside their pouches. That also is a fetish, I'm told. Also, there are diapers. So what I'm saying is there's like nine different fetishes at play in this one strip. However, combing through their archives I can't find a single breast, or penis, or conventional sex act.

    Everything is smiles and fur and bright colors, and yet with each panel you can hear the sound of a thousand lonely men masturbating. So how does Boston and Shaun land on a level of comic hell more disturbing than Concession? It's the absolute mind-rending unpredictability of the plots. Every time you get comfortable with the idea of where the story is going, it goes screaming off in another direction. For instance, here is the strip from: Well, hell, that's a pretty straightforward story setup there. Going to meet Shaun's family. Want to look their best.

    Such a well-worn comic premise, it borders on the predictable. Let's see what new twist Boston and Shaun can put on it. The very next strip, from. The Bowels And now, we reach the bottom. Billy the Heretic: Well. This strip doesn't seem so bad. It's about a Christian boy growing up in a Jewish family, and the way they reconcile their religious differences, right? Hell, that's downright heartwarming. The even explains that he was in fact a non-Jew who was adopted and raised by a Jewish family, so it's clearly autobiographical.

    The strip's title seems to be a play off ' Dennis the Menace,' so let's see how this trouble-making scamp makes his way through this all-American fish-out-of-water story! Is 'I see another abortion clinic going up in a WASP neighborhood' like his catchphrase or something? Is that his 'don't have a cow, man'?

    When I get home tonight and my wife starts complaining about how I didn't take the trash out, can I reply with, 'Lookout, I see another abortion clinic going up in a WASP neighborhood! Let's try this one, a personal anecdote from young Billy's life. So, you know, that could have happened I suppose. I mean that's not so much a Jewish thing, but him saying his own father was a corrupt man.

    And if that incident really happened, we can't judge him for relaying it, right? It's an honest retelling of his own life story. You know, like that time he helped his old man forge Barack Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate so the Jews could rig the election: And that time his family boiled a crucifix in poop on the front lawn: I'd be tempted to call the artist a Nazi at this point, but I seriously don't think the Nazis believe any of the above.

    I think this guy is part of some Aryan splinter-group that is even considered crazy by the Nazis. Don't you see it was the Jews pissing in the cemetery the whole time? And what is the evil dad doing in the final panel? They speculated he is giving birth. Sure the guy's a bigot, but how much of it is the product of what is clearly a diseased mind? It's one thing to find out your neighbor hates you because of your race. It's another to find out he hates you because he thinks you're secretly a vampire.

    By the way, as stupid and ugly and sad as it is, I still wound up reading every episode. I did the same for most of the comics mentioned here. After all, doesn't all of the best art make you feel like somebody pooped in your hair? Art isn't about liking what you see, it's about experiencing the world through the artist's eyes, even if that artist has had hatred eat a massive hole through his brain. Even completely retarded webcomics can teach us something about the world, and the crazy people in it.

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